Saiyans Finally Nearing Limits?

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Saiyans Finally Nearing Limits?
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SuperSaiyan1993	Apr 3 2013, 10:21 PM Post #1
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	All right, first off, for this topic to work, you're going to have to temporarily forget Ultimate Gohan and all of the EoZ stuff -- anything after Kid Buu's defeat that is. Would you say that during the Buu saga, the Saiyans were approaching their limits? I think it very much looked like it from the training results: - After 7 years of Otherworld training, [which training conditions proved to be better than those of Earth according to Goku], Goku surpassed SSJ2 Kid Gohan (Cell games) but not by a staggering amount according to Piccolo's comment about Majin Vegeta - Vegeta, not fortunate enough to have the same training conditions as Goku, is only able to yield a power increase that still has him remaining below SSJ2 Kid Gohan (Cell games) post 7 years. So, if we had never seen Ultimate Gohan's power or the cough haxxed power of Goku at the EoZ budokai, would you think they were nearing their limits?
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Selsiuss	Apr 3 2013, 11:14 PM Post #2
Posts: 915 Group: Member Member #6,762 Joined: September 16, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I think they hit a plateau, but could still get stronger very slowly. New types of training would be needed for a dramatic jump in power. "Muscle Confusion" training techniques like in P90X allows for continued growth with fewer plateaus until you reach your peak.



Tim	Apr 3 2013, 11:19 PM Post #3
Forum Royalty Posts: 7,535 Group: Prince Member #4,562 Joined: November 1, 2009 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Hunter x Hunter	I think it more likely that they had exhausted the possibilities of their current training regimin at least. Perhaps rather that physical training it was more mental training that was needed to allow them to continue to allow their strength to grow - it worked for Piccolo



TheACE	Apr 3 2013, 11:50 PM Post #4
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Potentially true, Image training worked pretty well for Krillin on the way to Namek too. Helped him keep up with Gohan anyway before the Frieza fight. As far as limits go, from a thematic view, I think that would have made the Buu Saga more interesting. Dragon Ball/Z is about courage and charging forward, facing challenges and improving, beating yourself before you can beat someone else. And you know, love and friendship and all that other jazz, but mainly the never give up attitude and going for everything with 100%. And it's in-universe and in-character for them to have charged forward either way. Maybe if they couldn't beat the physical walls they would have developed other mental or creative powers. That's kinda why I liked Gotenks so much in that arc. He was goofy but he came up with creative and ingenius uses for his unique ki and powers, when Ki was just limited to energy balls, bombs, rays and propulsion (aka flight). I mean, do you really think Goku is smart or creative enough to develop a living, thinking creature that functions as a bomb and can fight from long range with energy attacks? Say what you will about Gotenks but he's a badass and a genius. So yeah, I think the Saiyans would just finally start working on fighting smarter instead of harder, but that's just me.
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DBZ Fan	Apr 4 2013, 12:01 AM Post #5
Release the power within you. Posts: 380 Group: Member Member #8,760 Joined: December 31, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Naruto. What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball and Naruto	I think they can hit a wall, but their potential resets as soon as they break through it. Sorta like how Vegeta didn't get much stronger at all when he went into the hyperbolic time chamber a 2nd time, he had hit a wall that he couldn't break through, but he eventually did and got stronger as we saw in the series.



Krystal	Apr 4 2013, 12:22 AM Post #6
Cooking Mama Posts: 1,728 Group: Member Member #7,091 Joined: December 19, 2011 Gender Female Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Gantz, Madoka, Gankutsuou, Full Metal Alchemist Favourite Manga Elfen Lied	Well if we want to count BoTG, there's God form. After that comes Tom Cruise form, and then I'm pretty sure existence implodes.



TheACE	Apr 4 2013, 12:34 AM Post #7
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	Smochi Apr 4 2013, 12:22 AM Well if we want to count BoTG, there's God form. After that comes Tom Cruise form, and then I'm pretty sure existence implodes. A Saiyan Transcended to a Level One Step Further Than An Ascended Super Saiyan Tom Cruise Boost? That's Multiverse Busting sweetie.
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Krystal	Apr 4 2013, 12:38 AM Post #8
Cooking Mama Posts: 1,728 Group: Member Member #7,091 Joined: December 19, 2011 Gender Female Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Gantz, Madoka, Gankutsuou, Full Metal Alchemist Favourite Manga Elfen Lied	TheACE Apr 4 2013, 12:34 AM Smochi Apr 4 2013, 12:22 AM Well if we want to count BoTG, there's God form. After that comes Tom Cruise form, and then I'm pretty sure existence implodes. A Saiyan Transcended to a Level One Step Further Than An Ascended Super Saiyan Tom Cruise Boost? That's Multiverse Busting sweetie. At that point we might just reac Nic Cage as Evolution Goku level. Edited by Krystal, Apr 4 2013, 12:39 AM.



~~Ryder~~	Apr 4 2013, 12:41 AM Post #9
Posts: 1,190 Group: GTFO Member #8,898 Joined: January 21, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Warn a Brother	saiyans have no wall they well always get stronger. They are built for fighting and to improve everytime



SSJ	Apr 4 2013, 12:43 AM Post #10
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I agree with what you said SSJ1993. I believe they were definitely slowing down in their progress. This is why I think Goku went after Super Saiyan 3, and why they tried to ascend in the first place. They need to keep discovering new forms to obtain power, as it is very tough to keep powering up your base.



Vertical	Apr 4 2013, 01:04 AM Post #11
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	I had always believed the 7 year gap gains to be minimal due to lack of motivation more than anything. General: No imminent threat on the Earth/Universe. Vegeta: No Goku to surpass, feeling of complete defeat following Cell Games. Gohan: No Goku coercing him into training/fighting. Goku: Likely no one worth fighting in Other World, so although he aims to better himself, without an immediate goal in sight it would slow gains. This situation is exactly why Roshi entered tournaments to defeat his own students in Dragon Ball. Once you believe there's no one worth fighting, your progress slows.
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Super Gohan	Apr 4 2013, 01:36 AM Post #12
Posts: 674 Group: Member Member #6,283 Joined: May 29, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	It's well-established that they had reached them. The Super Saiyan 3 form in itself was expressed to indicate it, with the whole Buu era revolving around them surpassing their limits from unnatural ways. In recent interviews, Toriyama pretty much states that they were at their maximum, that there was no Super Saiyan forms higher (Super Saiyan God being the exception), and even implying that Goku and co. were weaker at the end of the manga on account of their age: "The fact is, I thought, “Man, I really made everyone old in the last chapter of the manga”. I even gave Vegeta a mustache (laughs). So, I chose this period because everyone had got to maximum strength. A few years after the “Majin Buu arc”, and before Pan’s birth." "they were good ideas for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong that they’d reached a point where there was nothing higher." Edited by Super Gohan, Apr 4 2013, 01:36 AM.



Saberoph	Apr 4 2013, 05:26 PM Post #13
Posts: 11,517 Group: Member Member #5,650 Joined: January 23, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z	I believe Saiyans can hit a wall, but they always break through that wall and keep going. So, I don't really think a Saiyan has a limit, but sometimes only limited by the form they use like SS3.
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Selsiuss	Apr 4 2013, 05:42 PM Post #14
Posts: 915 Group: Member Member #6,762 Joined: September 16, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	If a saiyan were to be immortal, I'm unsure if they would just continuously get stronger and stronger. I think there are certain limits, especially when a saiyan gets to the end of their lifespan.



Megasaiyan	Apr 4 2013, 05:47 PM Post #15
Osz Karoly Szilard Posts: 977 Group: Member Member #7,360 Joined: February 25, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Haven't read any yet	Selsiuss Apr 4 2013, 05:42 PM If a saiyan were to be immortal, I'm unsure if they would just continuously get stronger and stronger. I think there are certain limits, especially when a saiyan gets to the end of their lifespan. Indeed, only their age can pose a limit. But now that Goku transformed into a God, can there be anymore possible form? I mean, what can surpass a God? A Super God?:))



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